Crank No Start

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  1. GrampyTDI

    GrampyTDI New Member

    Joined:
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    Messages:
    3
    Car:
    1999.5 VW Jetta TDI (ALH 90)
    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    Mods:
    17/22 turbo, 3" custom turbo back exhaust, PD130 mani w/ phenolic spacer, EGR Delete, Shudder valve delete, 2.5" IC Piping, Euro audi S3 TDI front mount intercooler, 2.5" air intake w/ HKS mushroom filter,
    Please Help
    So my car sat in the driveway for 1 & 1/2 months while I made the 2.5" piping for the S3 intercooler I recently installed. Now that everything is finished I go to start the car and get nothing more than cranking. No sputtering or firing in the slightest. Hooked up my VCDS and get all these Codes below...

    Wednesday,29,November,2017,16:59:45:31326
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4401.4
    Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
    www.Ross-Tech.com


    Mileage: 346490km-215298mi Repair Order:


    Chassis Type: 9M - VW Jetta IV (1998 > 2014)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57
    75 76

    Mileage: 346490km-215298miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-018-AGR.lbl
    Part No: 038 906 018 EB
    Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG 2143
    Coding: 00002
    Shop #: WSC 00066
    VCID: 5AEE9AF9D508DC3775E-4B3C

    6 Faults Found:
    17762 - Modulating Piston Movement Sensor (G149)
    P1354 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent
    17970 - Quantity Adjuster (N146)
    P1562 - 35-00 - Upper Limit Reached
    17971 - Quantity Adjuster (N146)
    P1563 - 35-00 - Lower Limit Reached
    17849 - EGR Valve (N18)
    P1441 - 35-10 - Open Circuit or Short to Ground - Intermittent
    17571 - Fuel Temp Sensor (G81)
    P1163 - 35-00 - Open or Short to Plus
    17660 - Commencement of Injection Valve (N108)
    P1252 - 35-00 - Open or Short to Ground
    Readiness: 1 5 0 0 0


    Could it just be that since the car was on a hill + the front wheels on ramps with a little less than 1/4 tank of fuel? I've read somewhere that the car will suck up air if the fuel sits and doesn't get cycled. EGR was deleted.

    Also, the car shuddered at idle about 50rpm for the last 7 months I've driven it.

    Thanks, Mike
     
  2. Keithuk

    Keithuk Super Moderator

    Joined:
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    Car:
    2010 Golf GTD (170) CBBB
    Location:
    Stoke on Trent, England
    VAG Error Code: 17762

    EOBD II Error Code: P1354

    Fault Location:
    Modulating Piston Displacement Sensor (G149) - Electrical Malfunction

    Possible Cause:
    Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL)(K83) active.
    Engine doesn't start.

    Wiring Harness issue.
    Faulty Modulating Piston Displacement Sensor (G149).

    Possible Solutions:
    Inspect wiring and terminals for Modulating Piston Displacement Sensor (G149).
    Test Modulating Piston Displacement Sensor (G149) as per repair manual.

    Special Notes:
    Check wiring harness under battery tray for damage.
    Unplug and replug wiring harness at Modulating Piston Displacement Sensor (G149) has helped in some cases.

    VAG Error Code: 17970/005474

    EOBD II Error Code: P1562

    Fault Location:
    Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) - Upper Limit Reached

    Possible Cause:
    Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL)(K83) active.
    Reduced Power.
    Engine jerking.

    Fuse(s).
    Wiring/Connector(s) from/to Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) faulty.
    Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) not adjusted.
    Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) blocked/faulty.

    Possible Solutions:
    Check/Replace Fuse(s).
    Check/Replace Wiring/Connector(s) from/to Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146).
    Check/Adjust Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146).
    Check/Replace Injection Pump.

    Special Notes:
    On the 1.9L ALH TDI engine:
    The Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) should ohm test between 0.5 and 2.5 Ohms.
    With the coolant above 85° C, Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) 001, Field 3 should read between 1.45 to 2.0 Volts.

    VAG Error Code: 17971/005475

    EOBD II Error Code: P1563

    Fault Location:
    Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) - Lower Limit Reached

    Possible Cause:
    Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL)(K83) active.
    Reduced Power.
    Engine jerking.

    Fuse(s).
    Wiring/Connector(s) from/to Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) faulty.
    Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) not adjusted.
    Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) blocked/faulty.

    Possible Solutions:
    Check/Replace Fuse(s).
    Check/Replace Wiring/Connector(s) from/to Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146).
    Check/Adjust Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146).
    Check/Replace Injection Pump.

    Special Notes:
    On the 1.9L ALH TDI engine:
    The Fuel Quantity Adjuster (N146) should ohm test between 0.5 and 2.5 Ohms.
    With the coolant above 85° C, Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) 001, Field 3 should read between 1.45 to 2.0 Volts.

    VAG Error Code: 17849

    EOBD II Error Code: P1441

    Fault Location:
    Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Valve/Solenoid, Bank 1 - Open Circuit/Short Circuit to Earth

    Possible Cause:
    Fuse(s).
    Wiring/Connector(s) open circuit/short to earth.
    Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Valve/Solenoid.

    Possible Solutions:
    Check/Replace Fuse(s).
    Check/Replace all faulty Wiring/Connector(s).
    Read Measuring Value Blocks (MVB).

    VAG Error Code: 17571/004451

    EOBD II Error Code: P1163

    Fault Location:
    Fuel Temperature Sensor 1 (G81) - Open Circuit/Short Circuit to Positive

    Possible Cause:
    Fuel consumption higher then normal.
    Starting the engine is not as easy as normal.
    Emission Levels not met.

    Wiring/Connector(s).
    Fuel Temperature Sensor 1 (G81) faulty.

    Possible Solutions:
    Check/Replace all faulty Wiring/Connector(s).
    Read Measuring Value Blocks (MVB).
    Check/Replace Fuel Temperature Sensor 1 (G81).


    VAG Error Code: 17660

    EOBD II Error Code: P1252

    Fault Location:
    Commencement of Injection Valve (N108) - Open Circuit/Short Circuit to Earth

    Possible Cause:
    Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL)(K83) active.

    Fuse(s).
    Wiring/Connector(s) open circuit/short to earth.
    Commencement of Injection Valve (N108).

    Possible Solutions:
    Check/Replace Fuse(s).
    Check/Replace all faulty Wiring/Connector(s).
    Read Measuring Value Blocks (MVB).

    As taken from my new Free EOBD II Error Codes software

    If you have a genuine VAG-COM\VCDS cable I would suggest you VCDS Dongle Registration if you haven't already. Then you can join Ross-Tech forum and make a new thread about your problems with a full AutoScan attached.
     
  3. audi1z

    audi1z Member

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    Car:
    Audi 80 1Z Engine
    It looks for me like you need to prime the injection pump. An empty pump would be an explanation for the occurence of the faults together. To be sure, the electrical connection of the pump is ok?
    Anyhow, do not crank the engine further as long as you are not sure that the pump is full of diesel (and lubricated). Running the pump dry will create damage and abrasive in the quantity adjuster.
    Cheers
     
  4. GrampyTDI

    GrampyTDI New Member

    Joined:
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    Messages:
    3
    Car:
    1999.5 VW Jetta TDI (ALH 90)
    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    Mods:
    17/22 turbo, 3" custom turbo back exhaust, PD130 mani w/ phenolic spacer, EGR Delete, Shudder valve delete, 2.5" IC Piping, Euro audi S3 TDI front mount intercooler, 2.5" air intake w/ HKS mushroom filter,
    Thanks for your reply Audi1z.
    A buddy of mine came over the other day and we took off the line that goes into the fuel filter and put it in a plastic bottle and tried cracking the motor after cycling the key of a few times. No fuel is coming from the tank, is there anything electrical that would make it so the fuel pump does not work besides the fuel pump fuse or the fuel pump itself?

    Maybe a sensor telling the fuel pump not to pull fuel from in the tank?


     
  5. audi1z

    audi1z Member

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    Messages:
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    Car:
    Audi 80 1Z Engine
    You are not priming the pump, you run it dry. Stop this cranking.
    It is necessary to apply vacuum at the outlet line from the pump to the fuel filter, until fuel comes from the tank through the filter and the pump.
    Cheers
     

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